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You were listening to be tob revenue
acceleration, a podcast dedicated helping software executive
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stay on the cutting edge of sales
and marketing in their industry. Let's get
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into the show. Welcome to be. To be a riving the acceleration.
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My name is already am with you
and have the pleasure to welcome Chris Duggett,
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with chief cells officer at fuse.
Are You doing today, Chris?
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I'm doing well or alien. How
are you? I am very good.
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Thank you. So the topic for
today is, quote, a broad one,
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as with your both you need to
discuss in preparation to the podcast.
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It's about scaling cells in fast growing
be to be tech companies. So that's
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a bit of a mouthful and I
think the topic itself is full of full
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of interesting suby items. But before
we go into the detail of the conversation,
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would you mind introducing your self and
what you do? For few other
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not at all. So I'm the
chief sales officer refuse, but really my
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responsibility is around all of sales and
also professional services. Okay, so for
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us that's about how we deliver,
activate and configure and deliver our service to
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to customers, including helping them with
adoption, moving from a legacy system to
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the cloud. Yeah, and and
everything that comes with transforming their organization.
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Okay, that sounds fascinating. So
you have an extensive experience. You've been
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walking with lots of different organization,
some of the the one that we picked
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up us. So First UK company
that you are grows out of the UK
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Gaspell Ski, Russian Organization that you
try to grow outside of Fresha. So
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basically, what I'm getting to is
my first question is that you've got a
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ton of experience in walking with lots
of different companies a different stage of that
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growth, with market at a different
level of maturity, but also in time
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of Fuzz Grad place maybe in the
different space. So my first question is
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really a wrong from your perspective.
What are the signs that you need to
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identify as an organization to know that
it's time to scale? But also,
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I'll do you, expand into different
region as a broad question. So so
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it's a great question and there is
a lot to talk about, as you
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mentioned, in terms of scalability.
The first one great, great question.
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How do you know when? What
is the catalyst for looking at scalability?
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For a lot of companies, especially
early stage companies. It tends to be
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driven by actually they're reacting to something. So they may have a lot of
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inbound inquiries and they can't keep up
with the leaflow sometimes, or they have
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partners, if they have a partner
model, who are getting frustrated because the
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sales team is not being as responsive
enough on quoting and on the sales process.
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That's another example you may actually see
sometimes your sales managers who manage a
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team asking for more people and quota, and that's usually sign. Yes,
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they all they will always ask for
more people and Resources and more leads,
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but when they're willing to take quota
along with it, that's and you know
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that they believe that there's an opportunity
for growth as certain. So you see
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lots of things where typically, small
companies are going to be more reactive because
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they're being more successful than they even
planned on. Yes, great, yeah,
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and they have to try to put
things in place to capture the opportunity.
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For larger companies, it tends to
be more proactive, it tends to
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be more the result of a planning
process and when you're at a company,
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let's say you're at a company that's
a fifty or a hundred million dollar company
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and your board of Directors, in
your CEO says we want to be a
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half a billion dollar company or a
Billion Dollar Company. Well, you have
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to ask yourself, well, wow, how are we going to get that
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change? Cusu early became he said. Yet that's a very different size and
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where we are today. How are
we going to do that? And that
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usually causes you to be more proactive. There's a famous quote from a hockey
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player, Wayne Gretzky. I'm sure
you've heard it because we use it a
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lot in sales. Absolutely, but
he said I don't skate to where the
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PUCK is, I skate to where
the puck is going to be, and
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it's like a game of chess.
Yes, you have to think a few
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moves down the board to what's going
to happen next. Yet and then work
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backwards from certay. So sometimes the
catalysts, the the why you're doing scalability
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is actually that planning process. Okay, that makes nothing sense. And what
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about the going into the different Resian? I mean, do you think it
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takes different plover of skating, or
do you think the size of the company
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also Meta in that sort of feel
large organization. You may be already loss
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of fridges. You may be looking
for more crimularity. But what's the most
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complex you fee, the most complexive
fall sport company to go into an original
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for on or compaiy to get more
grunting our teen existing region? It's a
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great question. I think when companies
look at scaling and expanding there's always a
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risk. Can the risk is that
they try to expand to scale in too
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many ways. Yeah, geography is
one which is obvious. Yeah, but
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geography is not actually the easiest way
to scale your business up. Potentially,
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in some countries it's very hard to
go from one country to another or one
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region to another because of business differences
or cultural differences or even political difference.
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Yes, yeah, and people think, Oh, it'll be easy, we
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can we sell here, we can
sell there. And sometimes it's the market
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is in a different place or or
what you need to do to start a
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business there is very different. Something
we've seen a lot more recently around privacy
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and security. Are Regulations as so
geographical expansion is one way to expand,
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but you can also expand by going
from let's say, a direct sales model
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to a partner model that can give
you a huge scaleability. You can expand
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with products, with adding different products
to the portfolio. Yeah, you can,
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of course, do something really simple, Agis. Yes, in the
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acquisition you can. You can acquire
another team or build your team out.
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Just go, you know, start
to build out of so there are lots
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of ways to scale business. Some
of them are riskier and harder than others.
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Few mentions of it rate. I
I can of leading nicely bridging me
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to my expression, which is around
the channel. So in preparation to the
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PODCASTS, you you explain to me
some of the stuff you're done. We
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so fullst and and being them to
put the channel change the Mentalit t're ready
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pushing at channel. You. That's
extremely successfully. So who you please shows
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as analogiens? YEA like Staliens off
skating successfuls Rogan again, very wide open
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question, but if you can every
to breggee down, they would be right.
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No, absolutely, I'd be happy
to. It is it's something that
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that is very near and dear to
my heart, and the reason for that
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is I started out in my technology
career in the channel. I actually worked
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for a large consulting company doing system
integration work and I later worked for a
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couple of consultancies, yeah, that
were very specialized around security, and so
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what happened was I learned how partners, different types of partners, run their
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businesses and I learned about how much
variety there is under that name, the
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channel. There are many, many, many different business models and approaches.
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And so the answer to your question
about ski about scaling by going, say,
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from a direct model to channel,
as we did its AF fos.
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For me, the most important thing
about that is understanding, first which types
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of partners yet are the best ones
for you to work with, how they
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run their business, the business models
for them and therefore how you can structure
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a program and a partnership that has
the right value proposition for both you and
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your partners, so that when when
they are approached by members of your team
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and and people are trying to work
with them, it's sort of an automatically
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a good fit because it's been structured
properly from the beginning. And I think
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that's that's really, really important.
And you also need to recognize that there
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are a one size fits all.
Approaching Channel is the wrong approach for pretty
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much any company, because there will
be types of partner models that work well
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for your business and there are others
that you probably won't be ready for.
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And one mistake I see companies make
a lot is they think, well,
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I'm going to go with the biggest
brand names, for example. You know,
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they players in the channel that everybody
has heard or when they can.
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Yeah, I mean, number one, do you have anything of real value
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to they sit a big enough for
that alleaball for your yeah, to get
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their attention, to even get their
mund share. But number two, are
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you ready to partner with them from
a technology perspective, from an operational perspective,
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for yea, from a strategy,
sales and marketing strategy perspective, to
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have the right tools at your disposal. If you don't, it's a mistake.
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You can spend a lot of time
and energy on something that ultimately doesn't
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go anywhere. That just becomes a
big wasted investment. So I think with
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respect to building are building channel programs, you must start from the partner and
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work back and you must understand what
your best match is and the strengths that
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you have and and the value that
you can bring and structure it that way
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and then plan to build out later. You can always start with small,
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focused partners and expand too much bigger
ones as you get bigger. But going
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the other way sometimes doesn't work.
So bring me to those all cushion about
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the one see under twitsia, the
distribution model, to basic a. So
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I would expect to what keep to
come first place on lets we explain that
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sort of fog any crows and you
maybe my own destining of what you're saying
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is like you should go full quit
to teep out. Now that's just avodium
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approach. So you find the right
guys, the right people. People at
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electriality care about what you do,
although some of the way you can bring
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to the pot for you on though, some of the way you can bring
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to that and user and basically on
those not you would bring something to them
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that will ease help them to keep
a client or them to increase the revenue
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generating from a clients or and them
to differentiate themselves in a competitive market.
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Vlsus as a pot. Okay,
so that's that's like. Now come coming
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to the scalability. There is a
scalability within the channel, which is again
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moving from a one tail to a
Tutia and again send question against you,
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which is a tough one, and
because you we depend on the set of
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organization and that growth callcentage or that
gross curve. Is when would you say
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it's a good time to think about
Twitya? When you think it is time
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to say, okay, we're going
to bring distribution, we can give a
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little bit more away, because we
just want to get yet take away from
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managing this reselves. Yes, it's
a great question and it's one that people
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like us are often asked. Yeah, especially by by executives and board members
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who use a husually also that the
question. Yeah, we don't know the
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channel well or don't understand the model
as well as perhaps they should. First
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of all, I think your you've
described the normal approach, which is you
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start small and you look for a
few quality partners that you can develop a
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strong partnership with. Yeah, that's
the usually the first step in any type
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of channel program to try to go
out and go a mile wide and an
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inch deep and sign up hundreds of
partners and just give them a bunch of
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collateral and hope that somebody sells something
is is often a big mistake and usually
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with distribution, with a two tier
model, you're doing that, you're using
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distributors to scale because they have immediate
access. They provide immediate access to thousands
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of partners in any given geography and
they can on a high scale basis.
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They can go out and help you
with communications, with your value prop with
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recruitment and training and but really distributors
fundamentally were originally about scale in terms of
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logistics yet and in terms of billing. See are things like Yah so.
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So you have to realize that's where
they are. Their fundamental strength lies is
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scale, large scale channel operations,
and you, course, will get there
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at some point. I think you
know. You get there when you have
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a large enough channel business, not
just the number of partners but the volume
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of deals that you're doing, that
it begins to strain your operational capacity.
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That's often a time and that operational
capacity, by the way, might be
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the quoting process or it might be
the billing process or it might be a
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number of different things. For companies
that are respond that make physical products,
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it's certainly inventory is a big,
big piece of the puzzle. For software
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companies it's not. It's that inventory
related, but some of these other functions.
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I think when you when you begin
to feel the strain of growth and
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you you hit the limit of your
own scalability. Is when to tier logically
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comes into play. However, if
you wait too long it becomes difficult because
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that that last piece you mentioned about
giving them a few points, so to
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speak. Essentially, you're going to
be paying distribution by the time you get
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fairly big. It's usually millions of
millions of dollars that there are those few
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points and if you wait too long
that can put can pose some challenges in
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the the short term planning process.
You know, I've been asked before by
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board member. How do we replace
the revenue it's going to the distribution?
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That's that we are now giving to
the distributor effectively, and the answer is
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by unleashing that that scalability. Yeah, by taking, you know, having
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the right programs in place and taking
trading some margin for for a lot more
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scale. You're a lot of volume
and it's the old you can make it
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up on volume addition. That's so. That makes sense. Like caution is,
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don't wait too late, though,
because the further along you've got,
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the more quote unquote expensive it's,
so to speak, the biggest the move
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will be, as well as I
guess from the start of the decision.
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If you've got millions and mediums,
the biggest impact would you from a bulk
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bells big tie from, you know, influencing a boveyid. They both US
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Pectina, making people don those on
that he's much mul to give away the
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tea exactly, which is often the
biggest challenge in going from a direct to
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his channel sales model. Or actually
the the people who are in senior management
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or executives or board members who perhaps
don't understand the model. You get these
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crazy questions like, wait a minute, how does this make sense? We're
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going to pay them this much in
commission or this much in margin? I
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know you and I talked about that
earlier and for me it's a question of
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ship, of making sure they understand
the whole picture, the strategy, and
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is it makes sense. Did you
have to give them a type of friend
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because the same from us be extremely
difficult to get, because you probably know
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what you can drive, but you
kind of driving someone to drive someone else.
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So it's time from it's got to
be very difficulty to sail as well.
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streets and people don't twit about them
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see lots of organization scaling through converting
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demands online, and then they've got
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do what stage, but at what
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marketing? Basically, it's a great
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market and actually brand pull. Yeah, we're customers are asking partners about your
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solution and where customers we know that
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reading reviews, whether these areas the
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reading research reports, etc. That
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that's what you want, that's the
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radio station and and all of that, and and so the I think the
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answer to the question is the point
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build mainstreams. Okay, that that
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meet a real need that they have, that there's a strong why. And
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less deals. So basically we increase
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but we don't really see our closing
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you less? Well, so those
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are the prospect last month saying you
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disappointing. I'm so annoyed. I
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of you have all that more than
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probably at there was a fifty percent
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put the other harmor I want at
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tree, you know. And what
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big deal is not to a nice
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someone respond to the for someone where
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you feel very good. Basically make
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companies or smaller companies, with the
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is hard. Yeah, it's hard, especially you know you, because you
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If somebody's all, somebody's talking to
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as they say. We talked about
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that I work with, going about
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car and it's the thing about to
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just straight light on. That's in
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Chris Criz he's a nice guy,
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what does that mean? You have
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someone to go and speak to you
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people who does that. That's right. So you have to you have to
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build a strong term champion and you
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have to. You have to be
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maybe maybe not the decisionmaker, but
if someone would influence, someone who you
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can work with to understand the needs
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case, a value proposition for that
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champion to then go to the decisionmaker, to the economic buyer, yeah,
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and say, look, we need
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and here's what it's going to do
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as you said, who's doing the
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get you to your champion will not
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the decisionmaker or decision makers and process
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champion. So you have to have
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needs of the organization and you have
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my perspective, marketing is like a
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That's a great idea. You just
got to and marketing is not responsible to
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produce business. If not, we
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guess you know it'd be so easy. It's about getting that clue and walking
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from that crew and it. And
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is disposition. Get an inbound.
Is it the right guy? Another,
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the right level of authority, Blah, blah, blathers in the same
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thing. Not been qualified. Move
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let's look at the R M system
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past excess us, so we'll loose
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and I think you do it more. The large on the accounts obviously does.
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want to a run right. Yeah, you have to just go quickly,
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exactly. Yeah, but the larger
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of topic completely for the podcast,
but it's such a great topic. Well,
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and mean, with your permission I
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it being a clue in a murder. Miss Yeah, and I had never
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thought of it that way. But
you're absolutely right. As you're scaling a
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company and building a sales force and
building more skills and acumen in your cells
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force. It's very similar to detectives. Yeah, in in a police department,
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right the if you think about it, you have to teach them.
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What are the clues to look for? Who Do you talk to and what
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questions do you ask them to get
to to figure out the story? Yeah,
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and what are the patterns that you
look for? It's the same thing
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in sales when you're doing this type
of an approach, and then you can
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refublicate that pattern. You know us, but you know that. But I
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was experience. You're just doing.
which situation to you out? which is
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your use ocase? Enough, you
go and very good detectives and get to
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the figure out who is responsible for
the crime very quickly, absolutely and with
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a lot of accuracy, coming to
this spy. So I'm getting to my
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favorite question. I find they wanted
to ask yourself. been burning for it.
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from a long time after, it
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looks like he was an easy road
to scale, like of Sofas, the
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type of Gaspell Ski. What your
guys feel was working the park? You've
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done. So what we look at
it from now is fantastic. Bettery kind.
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expected that tremendous amount of tension,
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of in patients, particularly from box
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probably does on a daily basis,
as glamorous it looks when you look back
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now. Okay, but that questions
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what are the KPIS? You need
to money, talk closely and you
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know, to to assess how successful
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on what's need to be writtne reviewed, what is to be killed, what
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it's to be invested on. It's
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because if you get it's all about
balance. If you get the balance wrong
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and you go too faster too slow, the consequences are not quid, the
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performance will not be good, and
so kpis are really important. One thing
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you're looking for with scalability, obviously, is the growth rate. Yeah,
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you're looking for what's the velocity in
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done and yet and how fast are
we growing? All right, you know,
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are we able to maintain or expand
on that growth rate. So that's
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one factor. But growth rate alone
is is dangerous. Right if you grow
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fast but you start to drive up
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for example, then your you may
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growth rate or the velocity of the
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things like customer acquisition cost or or
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That's pretty easy to measure. And
of course, productivity you can measure
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as well on, for example,
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is each salesperson on average able to
generate? So those are are a couple
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of things to look at. Behind
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be the where do you plan to
get to from a cost benefit perspective,
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goals is economy of scale. As
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business but you're trying to to overtime
make it more efficient, because often when
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you're a small start up and you're
using a direct model, it's not very
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efficient but it's how you get started
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future, when you have a big
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I think you look for those things
as financial metrics. However, one of
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the other most important things to scaling
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only manage by this readsheet, by
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a big risk of going wrong with
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manage a sales team, for example, you have to think about what are
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the targets and what are the quotas
and our people able to earn a good
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living? Yeah, or the targets
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know you're headed in the right direction, but not so high that it seems
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unattainable yet right? Yeah, that
it's demoralizing for people because of so you
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have to get the blend right and
that comes down to a bigger picture formula,
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which is how many people do I
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which customers to get, and getting
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the the productivity model correct, is
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KPI is. One of the things
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attention and employee development. If you're
getting the balance right with your sales team
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and, more broadly, with other
people in the team, marketing, pressness
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or management, they deel. Yeah, just tended to retain the talented the
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business. If you're doing a good
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for growth and you will see that
in high employee retention numbers. Will also
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see that in terms of development for
people. People in a very strong,
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productive organization will have the opportunity to
progress in their career. And so my
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experience is the more you pay attention
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into doing that right, the more
the scalability and the growth comes in a
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healthy and productive way. And so
I think you have to think about some
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of those softer functions as well.
But soft times it's actually we are very
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big on promoting from wizom. Okay, but if you think about it,
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entry points is video. So,
yeah, someone who's got very limited experience
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and when you promote them it's often
a lot of work to get them to
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elevate themselves to the next role.
Okay, so you may take six months
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to get someone to actually elevate those
as. It's a six months training to
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move to the next role where you
could work with someone in two mouths that
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could come and just bring ideas of
what they love in the police organization.
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But we do really it's important to
do because it creates culture and and I
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think there is nothing more beautiful and
someone coming into the team and sitting with
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a lot of marketing or out of
sales or out of operation or team leader
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and all these people at will speak
to those through the recruitment process. I've
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been people with in that seats indust
three years or yours five years, that
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have been promoted within the business.
And if that individual sitting there is probably
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looking at us as an organization,
Adeos are one and maybe use on want
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paid every little bit more, they
would may say, actually, is probably
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better to be in this one because
I may be treating a better way.
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I don't just want a job and
I want to carry out right. So
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it's about draining that sort of things
as well for us, and I think
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we called themselves, but I think
that's so important overlusion that I totally agree
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with you it too, and there's
nothing better than seeing somebody come into the
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organization as a video and in a
year or year and a half have the
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opportunity to move into a sales role. It's a big job because, you
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pointed out, it's one where you
see a certain amount of failure because it's
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a it's a pretty different job and
it's sometimes a big jump for people.
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So don't get your timing right.
But it's you know you'd get the timing
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right. But it's also very smart
because you do build a strong culture.
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You're also in a great position to
assess does that person have the innate capability,
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the talent to do that? And
if the rest of the team supports
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the model, yeah, they are
going to be a safety net for that
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person as they make that job.
Yea to try to help them along and
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when they're struggling and they're looking for
answers, they get answers from their copies.
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And when you're absolutely right, you
can create such a strong culture when
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you when you create that environment.
Yeah, and it's self reinforcing and it
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and you develop a lot of momentum
and it's free to core and it becomes
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really powerful. It is easier and
faster to hire somebody outside who has already
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done the job, but it is
often better, stronger and lower risk to
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do it internally if you do it
the right way. If you just promote
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something from someone from Wizin, you
probably would expect them to stay fund he's
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twice long as someone from the outside, the one who makes, someone who
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makes a lots of horizontal move.
Well's just someone who does wealthy cord move.
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That's what I would get on CDs. Yes, spor comes and we
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you say, in that company.
Have you been promoted? You once seeing
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all life, know all you've the
nine months down, nine months now to
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our moms El six months. I
said, is why did it? If
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you are a good way, I
need not keeping you right. Why are
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you not staying and progress? A
Very UN nicky yeah, it's anyways.
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That's so true. That's that's a
that's a funny story. So we are
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running out of time now and I
know that you need to get your plain.
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So thank you, Romuchre, coming
with us today and that you doing
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the pootcasts and recording the pood guests
in Pelsa. But if anyone wants to
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get in touch with Zu craze to
is ocarry on tooking about some of the
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too big sweat today. Take jump
right above on some things. Because of
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both fews and what you're doing was
the best way to get to a look.
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That's great. First of all,
thank you for having me. I'm
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how did you be here? It's
been a pleasure as well. It's great
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to compare notes with your background and
a shared love of sales and Growth and
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it of question yes, a lot
of things. When we do it's fantastically
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it's yeah, it's a great conversation. So thank you. Best Way to
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get in touch with me is either
to reach out to me at fuse,
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yeah, everybody there knows how to
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