55: Why Not All Marketing Is Right for You w/ Adam Smith

August 28, 2019 00:18:14
55: Why Not All Marketing Is Right for You w/ Adam Smith
B2B Revenue Acceleration
55: Why Not All Marketing Is Right for You w/ Adam Smith

Aug 28 2019 | 00:18:14

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It's an unbelievable feeling when you build your own company, have a brand, and hear people speak about your brand.

You think: My digital marketing team was actually right!

Then you think: I should do like 50 times more digital marketing.

Well... not necessarily.

I had the chance to chat with Adam Smith, Founder and Director at Damteq, about digital marketing, how to stay agile (and aligned), and future trends in marketing.

 

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:08.349 You were listening to bb revenue acceleration, a podcast dedicated helping software executive stay 2 00:00:08.390 --> 00:00:12.189 on the cutting edge of sales and marketing in their industry. Let's give into 3 00:00:12.269 --> 00:00:16.989 the show. Hi, welcome to be to be a rever acceleration. My 4 00:00:17.070 --> 00:00:20.550 name is already M with you and I'm here today with Adam Smith, founder 5 00:00:20.670 --> 00:00:23.539 and director, Adam take. How are you today, Adam? I'm very 6 00:00:23.739 --> 00:00:26.699 thank you. I'm very, very busy. All is good. Thought there 7 00:00:26.780 --> 00:00:30.179 was going to be some time for a holiday or something this summer, but 8 00:00:30.660 --> 00:00:33.500 it's been really, really busy. So No, no, were time to 9 00:00:33.539 --> 00:00:36.609 do that. But yeah, really excited to have a conversation and have a 10 00:00:36.649 --> 00:00:42.689 little chat. I've feel for you because I'm French and I think that I'm 11 00:00:42.729 --> 00:00:46.450 actually going off for two months in Julie and August, and I have absolutely 12 00:00:46.490 --> 00:00:50.840 Zer Roliday this summer. So I know what you mean. When it is 13 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.560 really warm outside and you've got to be working, it's it's a little bit 14 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.359 of a little bit of a shame, but that you got business is good. 15 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:02.039 That's the most important so business is business, same absolutely, and you 16 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:04.829 need to be on the on the deck. So the topic of today's episode 17 00:01:04.950 --> 00:01:08.109 is why not. All marketing is a right for you. But before we 18 00:01:08.189 --> 00:01:12.069 go into that conversation, Adam, could you please introduce yourself to audience and 19 00:01:12.310 --> 00:01:15.670 also tell us a little bit more about them? Take the company that you 20 00:01:15.950 --> 00:01:19.219 found it, of course. Yeah, so I created them. Take way 21 00:01:19.299 --> 00:01:23.659 back in two thousand and six and I was entering the space where they were 22 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:27.500 literally hundreds of marketing and website design companies starting up. Back in two thousand 23 00:01:27.500 --> 00:01:30.739 and six, I was only sixteen and I supported a little bit of a 24 00:01:30.780 --> 00:01:34.890 gap in the market where create an organization focused on customer experience and business growth 25 00:01:36.090 --> 00:01:40.650 was far better than just creating another web design agency that was focusing on the 26 00:01:40.689 --> 00:01:44.450 same thing, and I really wanted to offer something unique. Fast forward to 27 00:01:44.569 --> 00:01:47.760 now. We've now grown into one of the lead in digital agencies and thought 28 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:53.159 leaders into growth techniques. As a company, we're no accelerating growth by doubling 29 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.519 in size. We're looking at heavily investing in understanding the future trends of marketing 30 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.230 and our whole missip mission is based around creating a unique experience for our clients 31 00:02:01.269 --> 00:02:07.950 and strategically delivering campaigns, on really scaling much smarter and better, and that's 32 00:02:07.030 --> 00:02:10.509 really, really a unique selling point for us. Really, absolutely. That's 33 00:02:10.550 --> 00:02:14.949 the wonderful mission as well, which is kind offlingk to a the big we're 34 00:02:14.949 --> 00:02:17.259 going to discuss today. So that's a good bridge to my first question, 35 00:02:17.300 --> 00:02:22.900 which free I expi, and so I do believe, because we've met, 36 00:02:23.060 --> 00:02:24.419 that run at sixteen anymore. I'm believe that you made. You may have 37 00:02:24.460 --> 00:02:31.330 a few of explain now, Wi sometimes, you've been working in the digital 38 00:02:31.409 --> 00:02:36.210 marketing space for a little while now and and I'm sure that's through that time 39 00:02:36.330 --> 00:02:43.250 you've witnessed mini shifts in social media, as you're INBOM marketing strategy. theital 40 00:02:43.289 --> 00:02:47.560 about aiding and Exter and why this one is ever changing, and what we 41 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:52.039 feel at operas, when we we look sometimes at our clients or what we 42 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:54.039 see in the markets or when we go to a sells meeting and speak to 43 00:02:54.120 --> 00:03:00.990 people about what accelerating digital activity, is that most companies try to follow the 44 00:03:00.150 --> 00:03:04.710 flow and keep up with a digital trends, but they often fail because they 45 00:03:04.750 --> 00:03:07.509 are just following what everyone else is doing. And we do feel that he 46 00:03:07.590 --> 00:03:13.340 doesn't really mean that they're doing the right thing for their brand. So that's 47 00:03:13.659 --> 00:03:15.539 a statement. What they would look to on those on the from you. 48 00:03:15.740 --> 00:03:19.860 And if you are to speak to a net new clients, what would you 49 00:03:20.020 --> 00:03:23.580 recommend them as to what the company need to do in order to keep in 50 00:03:24.060 --> 00:03:29.849 what a company should keep in mind before the invest in new, different type 51 00:03:30.009 --> 00:03:34.169 of digital marketing strategy? Yeah, totally so. And to your first point, 52 00:03:34.289 --> 00:03:37.169 and you're really right. And back five years ago, even into a 53 00:03:37.250 --> 00:03:40.759 two thousand and fourteen business owners, marketing teams were becoming and developing. This 54 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:46.759 sort of scatter gun approach to marketing and marketing back then was extremely experimental and 55 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.479 was only sort of done with, with very little direction and everything like that. 56 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:54.360 And businesses seem to just try anything and everything rather than being strategically actually 57 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:59.270 over what would work for them. And nowadays there are so many insights and 58 00:03:59.389 --> 00:04:02.110 so much data available that you can truly build a marketing strategy to age your 59 00:04:02.150 --> 00:04:05.710 business growth around what is going to work for you. My first bit of 60 00:04:05.710 --> 00:04:10.139 advice for that would be, you know, start by outlining your future goals 61 00:04:10.379 --> 00:04:14.460 and then think about who your most successful customers have been today. Ultimately, 62 00:04:14.539 --> 00:04:18.180 that information and that company historic data will really benefit you and truly help you 63 00:04:18.259 --> 00:04:23.660 understand where your actual audience and targeting of your marketing needs to be. Once 64 00:04:23.779 --> 00:04:26.850 you find this out, you'll be then able to define the actual audience you 65 00:04:26.930 --> 00:04:30.889 need to reach and then also this will help your sort of marketing activities sort 66 00:04:30.930 --> 00:04:34.490 of reach the audience, and the right audience who has the intent to purchase 67 00:04:34.569 --> 00:04:38.879 products and services. When you're sort of planning and running your marketing, you 68 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.439 need to remember that each of the platforms and strategies that you run will have 69 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.000 different intense and different outcomes, and the golden always really is not to get 70 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:48.360 disheartened about if some strategies don't go as well as planned, because at the 71 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:51.600 end of the day, marketing is progressive and you need to learn to test 72 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:56.629 different strategies and campaign models to see what works best for you. But ultimately, 73 00:04:57.149 --> 00:05:00.709 and you know, by folks in things more strategically and looking back at 74 00:05:00.750 --> 00:05:04.750 has stroke data, you can really then plan your future campaigns and then have 75 00:05:04.949 --> 00:05:09.620 some that not just focused around sort of brand awareness, but some will be 76 00:05:09.699 --> 00:05:13.939 then based around Lee generation and actually, you know, every platform will perform 77 00:05:14.300 --> 00:05:17.420 differently and no platform will perform the same. I'm a firm believer in sort 78 00:05:17.459 --> 00:05:20.449 of, you know, focus in your marketing efforts on campaigns that will grow 79 00:05:20.490 --> 00:05:25.569 your business, rather than wasting time and effort and resources on weaker opportunities that 80 00:05:25.610 --> 00:05:28.769 aren't going to work. And ultimately, time this into a cell's approach, 81 00:05:29.089 --> 00:05:30.970 you know, and your sales teams are avoid a part of any business. 82 00:05:31.290 --> 00:05:34.490 You know, your sales and marketing teams, team should be totally aligned. 83 00:05:34.529 --> 00:05:40.720 By getting a better marketing strategy, which will qualify better quality leads yourself team 84 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:44.079 will spend them more time working on relevant prospects to build a veterans from the 85 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.480 pipeline and ultimately, that's something that every business needs to achieve far more efficiently 86 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.629 with their marketing in this day and age. Really Yeah, I agree. 87 00:05:50.670 --> 00:05:54.389 I agree with you. And then, based on a couple of points of 88 00:05:54.470 --> 00:05:57.790 a couple of stages that you mentioned, what do you think, if there 89 00:05:57.910 --> 00:06:00.870 is one that is the most important, between the actual end use or your 90 00:06:00.949 --> 00:06:05.779 trained to sell to, versus your product, in order to define what your 91 00:06:05.819 --> 00:06:11.899 marketing strategy should be? What what is leading the digital marketing strategy is in 92 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:15.939 both all the product of the end us are. It's both. So everything 93 00:06:15.019 --> 00:06:19.610 should be totally aligned and aligning your products to, you know, to work 94 00:06:19.810 --> 00:06:25.170 more closely with your marketing and also look at things like historic data, looking 95 00:06:25.209 --> 00:06:28.209 at future trends and really understand and get a grip. At the end of 96 00:06:28.250 --> 00:06:30.250 the day, the whole thing should should work together. It should be its 97 00:06:30.290 --> 00:06:34.120 own engine in a way, and move foot move forward positively into the right 98 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:39.839 direction of then obviously generating more revenue for businesses. Yeah, like what you 99 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:43.639 had to say, also around the trial and test, that sort of marketing 100 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.079 lab or. You've got to try things, you've got to potentially train your 101 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:50.709 platform. You've got to guard there and measure the real results and results is 102 00:06:50.750 --> 00:06:54.949 funny. I remember you mentioned five years ago. I don't know if he 103 00:06:55.110 --> 00:06:58.790 was exactly five years ago, but we were in lots of meetings while people 104 00:06:59.029 --> 00:07:02.300 were considering the STU wrength of the marketing on the strength of the brand. 105 00:07:02.379 --> 00:07:06.379 By looking at our many lake they were getting on facebook for agation. FACEBOOK 106 00:07:06.500 --> 00:07:12.899 was trendy. Now it seems that everybody has been migrating from facebook to instagram 107 00:07:12.980 --> 00:07:15.579 or sum was our bloodform, but we always have the question of saying will 108 00:07:15.620 --> 00:07:19.170 look good? Tenzero like fantastics. Are Many deals have you actually close at 109 00:07:19.209 --> 00:07:23.290 the back of that? Okay, so the question I've good for you is 110 00:07:23.490 --> 00:07:27.529 when you run that sort of marketing lab when you decay to stop, when 111 00:07:27.649 --> 00:07:30.959 you decay to double, what are the Kepis that you should look at to 112 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:36.360 really make decision on what's walking's not working from a digital marketing strategy, and 113 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:41.240 so we would always sort of put metrics in place to understand the data, 114 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:46.189 both monthly, quarterly and annually. By assessing, you know, which strategies 115 00:07:46.230 --> 00:07:47.870 that you're going to be running all the time, you're going to be able 116 00:07:47.870 --> 00:07:53.750 to really strategically report on what is and what isn't working, better qualifying leads 117 00:07:54.069 --> 00:07:57.189 and really looking at what is going to drive tract of it. Ultimately, 118 00:07:57.430 --> 00:08:00.980 it's all well and good getting a thousand, Tenzero, a hundred thousand likes, 119 00:08:01.019 --> 00:08:01.980 but at the end of day, if you don't get the engagement, 120 00:08:03.259 --> 00:08:05.980 don't obviously get the lead and and the cells coming in, then it is 121 00:08:07.019 --> 00:08:11.139 it just you're wasting resources on a task that is just a vanity figure. 122 00:08:11.259 --> 00:08:13.689 You know, it's not anything that's going to going to grow your business. 123 00:08:13.769 --> 00:08:18.449 So ultimately you need to almost step back out of it and for a lot 124 00:08:18.490 --> 00:08:20.769 of our customers we do that quarterly, where we'll sit there and look over 125 00:08:20.889 --> 00:08:24.529 every strategy to date and really look sometimes, you know, on the flip 126 00:08:24.610 --> 00:08:28.680 side of that, you do need to learn how to sort of sit back 127 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.759 and let it run its course and because sometimes it's a short term go on 128 00:08:31.799 --> 00:08:37.000 a short term KPI. Sometimes it's a much wider and longer, longer sort 129 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.039 of part of marketing in terms of brand awareness building. You know, the 130 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.909 more like you do get that are qualified and until engage with your brand, 131 00:08:43.149 --> 00:08:48.230 there is a long term benefit. Then it isn't necessarily about getting short term 132 00:08:48.269 --> 00:08:50.149 leads every single month straight away, and then you do need to think about 133 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:54.909 the bigger picture as part of that as well. Absolutely, I think the 134 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:58.419 brain is something that came to reality two minutes so long ago. And and 135 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:01.580 by the way, for all our audience at them and then take out the 136 00:09:01.659 --> 00:09:07.259 company that operatics are selected to ELP US in running our all our digital activity 137 00:09:07.419 --> 00:09:11.889 from website is hers and everything. So we've been working to get off a 138 00:09:11.929 --> 00:09:13.929 little while now. But I'm going to give you a life feed back as 139 00:09:15.090 --> 00:09:16.929 a customer, an Adam, I was sitting in front of a CEO of 140 00:09:18.090 --> 00:09:22.129 the Cloud Infrastructure Company at an event a few months ago in North America and 141 00:09:22.769 --> 00:09:26.600 but that day told me actually was made me probably brought a massive smile on 142 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.679 my face. He just said to me, look a thought about the paratics. 143 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.080 I thought, I know full lot of very good things about operatics and 144 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:37.360 really only question that I'm good for you is can I afford your services? 145 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.230 And that's really got me very happy because I am the sort of person that 146 00:09:41.710 --> 00:09:46.509 will always not complain but ask question to the marketing team about results, while 147 00:09:46.590 --> 00:09:50.909 my leads was the business as how can we try? How can it is 148 00:09:50.029 --> 00:09:52.740 that, and I've got my marketing team tell him it's not just that. 149 00:09:52.980 --> 00:09:56.100 This is the tip of the iceberg, but you've got to look at the 150 00:09:56.220 --> 00:10:00.500 rest and what we're doing for the brand and all the sort of things that 151 00:10:00.620 --> 00:10:05.740 you can perceive or just measure catch and as kind of the real first time 152 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:09.809 that he actually slapped me back in the face and I really, really you 153 00:10:09.889 --> 00:10:11.970 know, it's an underable feeling when you feel that you know you build up 154 00:10:11.970 --> 00:10:15.490 your own company and you start to have a brand, people start to speak 155 00:10:15.490 --> 00:10:18.730 about your brand and I think it is critical. Now coming back to my 156 00:10:18.850 --> 00:10:20.679 next question. I was just a little bit of an a party, but 157 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:26.559 coming back to my next question. You did mention in your introduction that a 158 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:28.039 big part of what you do are what you want to do as a business, 159 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:31.639 is really to look at the future trends and what's happening in the future. 160 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:35.789 So if we were to take out the crystal ball and if you are 161 00:10:35.830 --> 00:10:39.909 to predict or give me some insight as to what you believe will be successful 162 00:10:39.950 --> 00:10:43.389 in the future, could you, could you show that with the audience? 163 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:45.830 What do you think we should keep our eyes and thanking from a train. 164 00:10:45.950 --> 00:10:48.350 Yeah, and because the thing is, you know, everyone uses the Internet 165 00:10:48.389 --> 00:10:52.019 differently and even how we all did a few years ago and at the end 166 00:10:52.059 --> 00:10:56.740 of the day, is still constantly evolving. And you know, we're seeing 167 00:10:56.779 --> 00:11:01.539 the huge trend at the moment around sort of the conversational marketing and people, 168 00:11:01.580 --> 00:11:03.450 at the end of the day nowadays don't want to be sold to. You 169 00:11:03.529 --> 00:11:07.049 know, they know it's important that business has need functioned as a marketing company, 170 00:11:07.169 --> 00:11:11.649 but ultimately, you know, sells a marketing approach neat needs to become 171 00:11:11.649 --> 00:11:15.570 more humanized and what we seen it's a huge upward trend in this whole conversational 172 00:11:15.649 --> 00:11:18.799 marketing piece. Off The back of that, and you know, as humans, 173 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:20.840 we all want to feel special and touch points in our marketing need to 174 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.720 be aligned with this. People want things now. Everything is become instant, 175 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:30.320 if you think about instant messaging and communication, and there's almost a laziness to 176 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.350 laziness amongst us now, when no one wants to wait for anything. So 177 00:11:33.549 --> 00:11:37.669 marketing needs to become more aligned with this and we need to learn how to 178 00:11:37.750 --> 00:11:41.190 add more value to customers and prospects. And it's even things like, you 179 00:11:41.309 --> 00:11:45.470 know, very similar to this podcast, where we're creating new content, insights 180 00:11:45.549 --> 00:11:48.860 that we can share and become thought leaders in the fields that we're in, 181 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:52.860 and that is a huge part of growing your business now, where you know 182 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:56.779 not to be sold too like I said just now, and ultimately every business 183 00:11:56.860 --> 00:12:00.100 should learn how to think outside the box, go that extra mile and make 184 00:12:00.179 --> 00:12:03.049 their marketing more personal and human cent trick, and that's a huge trend now, 185 00:12:03.169 --> 00:12:07.049 but we're seeing a huge upward trend where this is going to continue and 186 00:12:07.129 --> 00:12:11.330 become normal over the next three to five years. But it's hugely important part 187 00:12:11.330 --> 00:12:15.490 of marketing that people need to understand that they need to they need to learn 188 00:12:15.570 --> 00:12:18.759 how to change their marketing in line of that if they're going to be successful 189 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.480 in the next sort of three five years. Absolutely. I think it's right 190 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:24.840 on target. As you may have from some of the previously piece of that 191 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.639 we recorded under on the need to be a riving your acceleration short and there 192 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.909 is a lot of conversation are on. I can days everything I come these 193 00:12:33.950 --> 00:12:37.429 marketing a gun base saying which, yeah, which is Convulsa an all conversation 194 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.429 or marketing. In a way, now it's a toping. But I guess 195 00:12:41.509 --> 00:12:46.940 made question to you and it is probably super open question because I appreciated depending 196 00:12:46.980 --> 00:12:50.340 on the type of services you're fur depending on the type of audience you want 197 00:12:50.340 --> 00:12:52.220 to Ridge, there is not a right on, sir. But how do 198 00:12:52.259 --> 00:12:56.460 you actually do it, or what would be the two or three rules that 199 00:12:56.580 --> 00:13:00.889 you would you would advise to people listening to us? They'm out to actually 200 00:13:01.210 --> 00:13:05.169 do it? Yeah, totally, and firstly I would say don't overthink it. 201 00:13:05.009 --> 00:13:09.250 You know, conversation is exactly this. It's it's, you know, 202 00:13:09.529 --> 00:13:13.759 very sort of just on the cuff sort of talking and discussion and I think 203 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.039 in this dendinge people expect that type of marketing where, you know, a 204 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:20.559 few years ago it was all about scheduling at the right times, the right 205 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.639 days, making sure it goes out at the right times and having this strategy 206 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.909 and all those strategy is important, I think, from real basic level, 207 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:31.029 I think my number on the WHO rulers would just be, you know, 208 00:13:31.230 --> 00:13:37.230 do it regularly, consistently and have that authenticity behind it where you know it 209 00:13:37.590 --> 00:13:41.059 doesn't feel so rigid and it just feels that feels like more caring and to 210 00:13:41.220 --> 00:13:45.779 make every person that you're dealing with, every prospect, every customer, feel 211 00:13:45.860 --> 00:13:48.899 special, and I think that is a huge part of what I would say 212 00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:50.139 is, you know, that is would be my first approach to it. 213 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:54.460 Okay, that sounds pretty much pretty much for lane with what we trot, 214 00:13:54.500 --> 00:13:58.929 all of us are trying to do. So I appreciate that. So coming 215 00:13:58.009 --> 00:14:01.970 back to measure Mont a little bit and coming back to Kepis and kind of 216 00:14:03.090 --> 00:14:07.169 the same question again, wide open because ends use are change services and solutions 217 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:11.480 on the friends. So I preshad there isn't not one simple rule, but 218 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:16.960 if you're well to give us some very key Kepa is that every single market 219 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.840 are should look at what we did be and first I would say about sort 220 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.029 of measuring the marketing is super important and you know, reporting in this day 221 00:14:24.029 --> 00:14:28.830 and age has become far easier and with things like daytimealytics and things, you 222 00:14:28.909 --> 00:14:33.950 can very easily set up gold completions and and all different cut types of call 223 00:14:33.029 --> 00:14:37.429 tracking and things like that. And and that way you also back to the 224 00:14:37.549 --> 00:14:41.539 original question of, you know, making marketing, you know, less scattergon 225 00:14:41.620 --> 00:14:45.259 and more strategic. You know, that will really really help those campaigns, 226 00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:48.220 find out which campaigns are working for you and which ones aren't. Another core 227 00:14:48.299 --> 00:14:50.580 element of this, I would say, would be to set up a lead 228 00:14:50.620 --> 00:14:54.610 quality score metric, and that way you can really define who your perfect customer 229 00:14:54.769 --> 00:14:58.490 is and understand whether the lead quality that is coming in and the measuring of 230 00:14:58.529 --> 00:15:03.169 that performance, you know, make sure that when, when you're getting the 231 00:15:03.169 --> 00:15:05.610 right quality leads in, they are being servet in right way to the right 232 00:15:05.649 --> 00:15:07.519 team and things like that as well. So, for example, and you 233 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:11.440 know, with them tech, we score every single lead out of ten and 234 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.320 is and guess work. It's not personal opinion and that determines to score. 235 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.559 We use data such as you know, who is a decision maker? Are 236 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:20.909 we talking to see level, or are we talking to to sells director? 237 00:15:20.950 --> 00:15:24.190 Are we talking to marketing assistant? You know, you know what is the 238 00:15:24.269 --> 00:15:28.669 the turnover of that company and we've created in our own equation. We do 239 00:15:28.789 --> 00:15:33.789 this with a lot of our clients and that actually then that school that comes 240 00:15:33.830 --> 00:15:35.940 off the back of that defines the quality of the leads. And then what 241 00:15:37.059 --> 00:15:39.100 you can do with that is, if you notice that you're constantly getting low 242 00:15:39.139 --> 00:15:43.460 quality, it means that you're marketing plan in your strategy is not aligned correctly, 243 00:15:43.779 --> 00:15:48.059 and you know you're easily be able to determine whether your market at marketing 244 00:15:48.139 --> 00:15:52.490 efforts are aligned, whether the terminology you're using, whether the content you're delivering 245 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:56.809 is ultimately going to grow you more effectively, you're not, or you know, 246 00:15:56.970 --> 00:16:00.970 more efficiently. So measuring your own campaigns carefully only help you keep close 247 00:16:02.009 --> 00:16:06.159 eye on it, and I think that's one huge important path that everyone needs 248 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.120 to look at rather than having, you know, that scas kind approach. 249 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:12.120 So I spoke about earlier. Of course, of course, but I like 250 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.399 the third you speak about. The topic was a really fashion in your voice. 251 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.110 So that's that's really good to earn and sank to rank, but for 252 00:16:19.190 --> 00:16:22.429 you are insight today. I don't know, I really appreciated to the time 253 00:16:22.549 --> 00:16:26.029 to speak to us at all. I know I'm busy you are, I 254 00:16:26.190 --> 00:16:29.350 know, I'll quickly. You are growing as a business and as you're in 255 00:16:29.429 --> 00:16:33.019 between recruiting and doing lots of Bitch preass. So really up with the fact 256 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:37.220 that you're thinking the thing to speak to me, and no yesterday on the 257 00:16:37.259 --> 00:16:41.259 show today. But if anyone would like to get in touch with you, 258 00:16:41.860 --> 00:16:44.940 is got to push you the conversation round, you know, for shore tends, 259 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:48.690 etc. Etc. Are Do like operatics, which is using your services. 260 00:16:48.690 --> 00:16:52.889 Are then take to generate needs. Be More presents in front off with 261 00:16:52.009 --> 00:16:56.090 ensured by as online exits like Ce. Oh, do we get old of 262 00:16:56.169 --> 00:17:00.169 you at a? Yeah, totally. Anyone can add me on linkedin. 263 00:17:00.529 --> 00:17:03.200 My handles, Adam Smith, Biz, bized and all visit our website. 264 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:06.680 Damn Tech Cod to UK. To be honest, I'd love to have a 265 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:10.400 conversation with anyone around this topic and if anyone's to get in touch, please 266 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:12.759 do. And Yeah, we can start a conversation and go from there. 267 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.589 That sounds good. Profit and then take is the Amteq. Don't misspeaded, 268 00:17:18.670 --> 00:17:22.789 but you will find them in the the only one on the Internet. But 269 00:17:22.109 --> 00:17:26.390 again, thank you very much. Of them know where. I think Glasa 270 00:17:26.470 --> 00:17:32.339 having on this today. Thank you. operatics has redefined the meaning of revenue 271 00:17:32.420 --> 00:17:37.940 generation for technology companies worldwide. While the traditional concepts of building and managing inside 272 00:17:37.980 --> 00:17:42.900 sales teams inhouse has existed for many years, companies are struggling with a lack 273 00:17:42.940 --> 00:17:49.170 of focus, agility and scale required in today's fast and complex world of enterprise 274 00:17:49.250 --> 00:17:56.329 technology sales. See How operatics can help your company accelerate pipeline at operatics dotnet. 275 00:17:57.170 --> 00:18:02.279 You've been listening to be tob revenue acceleration. To ensure that you never 276 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:06.599 miss an episode, subscribe to the show in your favorite podcast player. Thank 277 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.720 you so much for listening. Until next time,

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